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		<title>By: Mahmoud Sakr</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Sakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statically means there's no real dynamic form of checking being made by the system. Like the example, one can send the same hash over and over again without any errors being sent to him. A more dynamic approach would require a hash being stored in the database, which in turn will ensure the hash is used only one time - making it more interactive (dynamic) and secure.

I should add it's just a concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statically means there&#8217;s no real dynamic form of checking being made by the system. Like the example, one can send the same hash over and over again without any errors being sent to him. A more dynamic approach would require a hash being stored in the database, which in turn will ensure the hash is used only one time - making it more interactive (dynamic) and secure.</p>
<p>I should add it&#8217;s just a concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama Gamal</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama Gamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see .. bas ya3ni eeh "Statically"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see .. bas ya3ni eeh &#8220;Statically&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud Sakr</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Sakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not necessarily. He can just get the hiddenHash from the HTML source of the webpage and send it alongside the correct myAnswer.

An example source:
&lt;pre&gt;
&#60;form action=&#34;?&#34; method=&#34;POST&#34;&#62;
			&#60;input type=&#34;hidden&#34; name=&#34;submit&#34;&#62;
			&#60;input type=&#34;hidden&#34; name=&#34;hiddenHash&#34; value=&#34;dd3ee4b49241284a76ce135baaf891ac&#34;&#62;
			What is 1 + 6 ? &#60;input type=&#34;text&#34; name=&#34;myAnswer&#34;&#62; &#60;input type=&#34;submit&#34; value=&#34;Verify&#34;&#62;
			&#60;/form&#62;
&lt;/pre&gt;
One can send $_POST['hiddenHash'] with the value "dd3ee4b49241284a76ce135baaf891ac" and $_POST['myAnswer'] equal to 7 - every time. As I said, all the SPAMer needs to know is that his answer is being checked statically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not necessarily. He can just get the hiddenHash from the HTML source of the webpage and send it alongside the correct myAnswer.</p>
<p>An example source:</p>
<pre>
&lt;form action=&quot;?&quot; method=&quot;POST&quot;&gt;
			&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;submit&quot;&gt;
			&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;hiddenHash&quot; value=&quot;dd3ee4b49241284a76ce135baaf891ac&quot;&gt;
			What is 1 + 6 ? &lt;input type=&quot;text&quot; name=&quot;myAnswer&quot;&gt; &lt;input type=&quot;submit&quot; value=&quot;Verify&quot;&gt;
			&lt;/form&gt;
</pre>
<p>One can send $_POST['hiddenHash'] with the value &#8220;dd3ee4b49241284a76ce135baaf891ac&#8221; and $_POST['myAnswer'] equal to 7 - every time. As I said, all the SPAMer needs to know is that his answer is being checked statically.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama Gamal</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama Gamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW howa mesh hay3raf yeSend el Corresponding Hash beta3 el answer ella law kan 3aref el Random String</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW howa mesh hay3raf yeSend el Corresponding Hash beta3 el answer ella law kan 3aref el Random String</p>
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		<title>By: Osama Gamal</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama Gamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aywa .. ma ana kont bafkar fe keda bas men 3'eer el Hash aw el encryption :)
Nice Trick :cool:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aywa .. ma ana kont bafkar fe keda bas men 3&#8242;eer el Hash aw el encryption <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/happy_16x16.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Nice Trick <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/satisfect_16x16.png' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud Sakr</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Sakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, I just thought of another approach to implementing an anti-SPAM application - instead of using the database.

&lt;pre&gt;
&#60;?php

$randomString = &#39;03B7c9B0aB33064891f4B7197a084F0e&#39;; // just a random hash we&#39;ll use =)

if( isset($_POST[&#39;submit&#39;] )) {
	if( $_POST[&#39;hiddenHash&#39;] == md5( $_POST[&#39;myAnswer&#39;] . $randomString ) ) {
		// his verification is okay
		print &#39;you\&#39;re okay&#39;;
	} else {
		print &#39;wrong answer&#39;;
	}
} else {
	// generate the info
	$_1 = mt_rand(1,10);
	$_2 = mt_rand(1,10);
	$answer = $_1 + $_2;
	$hiddenHash = md5( $answer . $randomString );
	print &#39;&#60;form action=&#34;?&#34; method=&#34;POST&#34;&#62;
			&#60;input type=&#34;hidden&#34; name=&#34;submit&#34;&#62;
			&#60;input type=&#34;hidden&#34; name=&#34;hiddenHash&#34; value=&#34;&#39; . $hiddenHash . &#39;&#34;&#62;
			What is &#39; . $_1 . &#39; + &#39; . $_2 . &#39; ? &#60;input type=&#34;text&#34; name=&#34;myAnswer&#34;&#62; &#60;input type=&#34;submit&#34; value=&#34;Verify&#34;&#62;
			&#60;/form&#62;&#39;;
}
?&#62;
&lt;/pre&gt;

The only drawback of this approach is that if a SPAMer realizes his answer is being checked statically he'll just SPAM with the any hiddenHash and it's corresponding correct myAnswer.

You're welcome =) Thanks for the kind words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, I just thought of another approach to implementing an anti-SPAM application - instead of using the database.</p>
<pre>
&lt;?php

$randomString = &#39;03B7c9B0aB33064891f4B7197a084F0e&#39;; // just a random hash we&#39;ll use =)

if( isset($_POST[&#39;submit&#39;] )) {
	if( $_POST[&#39;hiddenHash&#39;] == md5( $_POST[&#39;myAnswer&#39;] . $randomString ) ) {
		// his verification is okay
		print &#39;you\&#39;re okay&#39;;
	} else {
		print &#39;wrong answer&#39;;
	}
} else {
	// generate the info
	$_1 = mt_rand(1,10);
	$_2 = mt_rand(1,10);
	$answer = $_1 + $_2;
	$hiddenHash = md5( $answer . $randomString );
	print &#39;&lt;form action=&quot;?&quot; method=&quot;POST&quot;&gt;
			&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;submit&quot;&gt;
			&lt;input type=&quot;hidden&quot; name=&quot;hiddenHash&quot; value=&quot;&#39; . $hiddenHash . &#39;&quot;&gt;
			What is &#39; . $_1 . &#39; + &#39; . $_2 . &#39; ? &lt;input type=&quot;text&quot; name=&quot;myAnswer&quot;&gt; &lt;input type=&quot;submit&quot; value=&quot;Verify&quot;&gt;
			&lt;/form&gt;&#39;;
}
?&gt;
</pre>
<p>The only drawback of this approach is that if a SPAMer realizes his answer is being checked statically he&#8217;ll just SPAM with the any hiddenHash and it&#8217;s corresponding correct myAnswer.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome =) Thanks for the kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama Gamal</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama Gamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aywa keda :D
ana kont bafkar enny aUse el Database fe el Verification .. bas makontsh Sure en da el 7all el sa7ee7
Plus enny ma3rfsh 3'eer two ways to store Data 3la el server &#62;&#62; Files &#38; DBs

Thanks for the nice info ;)
Keep your LifeStyle .. It Rocks :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aywa keda <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/laugh_16x16.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
ana kont bafkar enny aUse el Database fe el Verification .. bas makontsh Sure en da el 7all el sa7ee7<br />
Plus enny ma3rfsh 3&#8242;eer two ways to store Data 3la el server &gt;&gt; Files &amp; DBs</p>
<p>Thanks for the nice info <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/wink_16x16.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Keep your LifeStyle .. It Rocks <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/laugh_16x16.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud Sakr</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Sakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your &lt;u&gt;first question&lt;/u&gt;, that will work just fine. However I have this habit that if I use the exact same value twice (given they are used for exactly the same purpose, for example this implementation) I assign a variable for it. Makes it easier for me when testing and if I want to change that value I don't have to change it two times.. just the way I'm used to doing it. Plus of course, it would be more useful to others (in case I decide to share it) if there's a certain variable they can change to their convenience.

Regarding your &lt;u&gt;second question&lt;/u&gt;, actually I didn't code this modification from scratch. It's a premade plugin called cforms if my memory serves me right. However, that's not how similar procedures are implemented. Having a hidden value is just the same because a SPAM will just send it's own _POST value that has the correct answer to it's imaginary solution. Even hashing the result and sending it won't do any good, anything that is not tested in-house (by in-house I mean on the server) is not worth of implementing.

The easiest way to implement a similar task would be sending a hash to the user alongside the question, a random hash that has nothing in common with the question, and that same hash stored in my database with the correct answer. That way when the user submits I query for the hash that I'm sure was generated by me, making sure he's human. That's how &lt;a href="http://www.captcha.net/" rel="nofollow"&gt;CAPTCHA&lt;/a&gt; works except that it stores the hash on its own server not the server it's being installed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your <u>first question</u>, that will work just fine. However I have this habit that if I use the exact same value twice (given they are used for exactly the same purpose, for example this implementation) I assign a variable for it. Makes it easier for me when testing and if I want to change that value I don&#8217;t have to change it two times.. just the way I&#8217;m used to doing it. Plus of course, it would be more useful to others (in case I decide to share it) if there&#8217;s a certain variable they can change to their convenience.</p>
<p>Regarding your <u>second question</u>, actually I didn&#8217;t code this modification from scratch. It&#8217;s a premade plugin called cforms if my memory serves me right. However, that&#8217;s not how similar procedures are implemented. Having a hidden value is just the same because a SPAM will just send it&#8217;s own _POST value that has the correct answer to it&#8217;s imaginary solution. Even hashing the result and sending it won&#8217;t do any good, anything that is not tested in-house (by in-house I mean on the server) is not worth of implementing.</p>
<p>The easiest way to implement a similar task would be sending a hash to the user alongside the question, a random hash that has nothing in common with the question, and that same hash stored in my database with the correct answer. That way when the user submits I query for the hash that I&#8217;m sure was generated by me, making sure he&#8217;s human. That&#8217;s how <a href="http://www.captcha.net/" rel="nofollow">CAPTCHA</a> works except that it stores the hash on its own server not the server it&#8217;s being installed on.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama Gamal</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama Gamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kama: I got how does your Code Generates the random numbers :)

bas &lt;b&gt;Q#1:&lt;/b&gt;
eeeh lazmet enak te3mel two variables le el min, max ??
leeh met2olsh 3la tool &lt;b&gt;$_1 = mt_rand(1, 10);&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Q#2:&lt;/b&gt;
ba3d ma 3amlt generate le el random numbers
ezay tet2aked enno da5lha ??
hal enta hatSend el result fe Hidden Input ??

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kama: I got how does your Code Generates the random numbers <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/happy_16x16.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>bas <b>Q#1:</b><br />
eeeh lazmet enak te3mel two variables le el min, max ??<br />
leeh met2olsh 3la tool <b>$_1 = mt_rand(1, 10);</b></p>
<p><b>Q#2:</b><br />
ba3d ma 3amlt generate le el random numbers<br />
ezay tet2aked enno da5lha ??<br />
hal enta hatSend el result fe Hidden Input ??</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Hassan Selim</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Hassan Selim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the real point of the post, I face the same thing everyday, in the first semester all I did before the exams is learn more C# and XNA and make more features in my Asteroids game, this resulted to unsatisfying grades (except for the CS grade :D and somehow phys).
Now I try to control it, and I'm fighting to prevent my self from making Asteroids v1.3 which is supposed to feature LAN Multiplayer, but as you might have noticed my inner geek part of my brain found another way to "NOT STUDY" which is keep on doing nothing on the internet and keep searching for something to download (that's why I say that I have a download mania), no it's not GUCers fault before I addict GUCers I used to addict FaceBook.
I guess this semester's grade wont be satisfying too :grr:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the real point of the post, I face the same thing everyday, in the first semester all I did before the exams is learn more C# and XNA and make more features in my Asteroids game, this resulted to unsatisfying grades (except for the CS grade <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/laugh_16x16.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> and somehow phys).<br />
Now I try to control it, and I&#8217;m fighting to prevent my self from making Asteroids v1.3 which is supposed to feature LAN Multiplayer, but as you might have noticed my inner geek part of my brain found another way to &#8220;NOT STUDY&#8221; which is keep on doing nothing on the internet and keep searching for something to download (that&#8217;s why I say that I have a download mania), no it&#8217;s not GUCers fault before I addict GUCers I used to addict FaceBook.<br />
I guess this semester&#8217;s grade wont be satisfying too :grr:</p>
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		<title>By: Salem Sayed</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Salem Sayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Osama:
Peace :)

@Kamasheto:
I knw Akismet and itsnt really great belive me
i had loads of spam using it, i had to switch to another plugin which was better but i can't remember it's name.But if it's working dunt fix it :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Osama:<br />
Peace <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/happy_16x16.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Kamasheto:<br />
I knw Akismet and itsnt really great belive me<br />
i had loads of spam using it, i had to switch to another plugin which was better but i can&#8217;t remember it&#8217;s name.But if it&#8217;s working dunt fix it <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/laugh_16x16.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud Sakr</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud Sakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Osama:

&lt;pre&gt;if( ! in_array( array($_1, $_2), $arr) &#038;&#038; ! in_array( array($_2,$_1), $arr) )&lt;/pre&gt;

basically makes sure my two numbers have not already been printed - i.e., deals with all duplicates.

The problem with generating random numbers and generating the results is that it would give me all the duplicates that I don't really want in my list, it's a waste of memory resource.

Your code was removed by wp, try &lt;a href="http://www.elliotswan.com/postable/" rel="nofollow"&gt;making it postable first&lt;/a&gt; then post it.

@Salem:

Wordpress has Akismet, it is a very sophisticated built-in system that catches spam efficiently. I never got one spam message passing through, not a single one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Osama:</p>
<pre>if( ! in_array( array($_1, $_2), $arr) &#038;&#038; ! in_array( array($_2,$_1), $arr) )</pre>
<p>basically makes sure my two numbers have not already been printed - i.e., deals with all duplicates.</p>
<p>The problem with generating random numbers and generating the results is that it would give me all the duplicates that I don&#8217;t really want in my list, it&#8217;s a waste of memory resource.</p>
<p>Your code was removed by wp, try <a href="http://www.elliotswan.com/postable/" rel="nofollow">making it postable first</a> then post it.</p>
<p>@Salem:</p>
<p>Wordpress has Akismet, it is a very sophisticated built-in system that catches spam efficiently. I never got one spam message passing through, not a single one!</p>
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		<title>By: osama_gma</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>osama_gma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah .. sorry fehemtak 3'alat :D
2aslak kateb "Great Source of Spam"  :up:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah .. sorry fehemtak 3&#8242;alat <img src='http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/White-Emoticons/laugh_16x16.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
2aslak kateb &#8220;Great Source of Spam&#8221;  :up:</p>
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		<title>By: Salem Sayed</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Salem Sayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>el SPAM verification method de
Kamasheto 3amelha fel contact
mmken tet3ml fel comment box ta7t el name wel website we kda
check rlslog.net
hatefham asdy eh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>el SPAM verification method de<br />
Kamasheto 3amelha fel contact<br />
mmken tet3ml fel comment box ta7t el name wel website we kda<br />
check rlslog.net<br />
hatefham asdy eh</p>
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		<title>By: osama_gma</title>
		<link>http://me.mahmoudsakr.com/2008/06/programming-is-a-lifestyle/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>osama_gma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howa eeh elly aImplemento fe el Comment Box?? :shock:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howa eeh elly aImplemento fe el Comment Box?? :shock:</p>
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